Converting Test Base to Transdermal form  

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03/09/2019 8:12 pm  
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I did not like Penetrate. I rotated application spots between chest, delts, arms, forearms, stomach, thighs, feet, and back...It dried out my skin within two weeks and made me itch. Maybe I'm just a bitch with sensitive skin

Yeah, alcohol based solutions are nasty after a while. The old T-Gel was nice as well as the Avant lotions. PhloJel is like putting on lotion, makes your skin soft AND anabolic

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03/09/2019 8:53 pm  
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At a 50mg/ml concentration apply as needed split into two doses. I would use 4ml x 2 for 400mg/day.

So some quick math would indicate you'd need 48g of Test Base powder for a 120 day cycle, at a 50mg/ml, 4ml 2Xdaily, for 400mg/day? Assuming a 25% absorbtion rate for PhloJel, you'd be getting 700mg/week? Am I getting this right?

Also, how long should this be left on before sweating, rinsing off etc?


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03/09/2019 9:38 pm  
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So some quick math would indicate you'd need 48g of Test Base powder for a 120 day cycle, at a 50mg/ml, 4ml 2Xdaily, for 400mg/day? Assuming a 25% absorbtion rate for PhloJel, you'd be getting 700mg/week? Am I getting this right?

Also, how long should this be left on before sweating, rinsing off etc?

That would be correct.

Consider when people inject with an ester it is about 28% of the weight. So when someone says they are doing 500mg/w of test e or C they are doing 360mg of test.

At 400mg/d transdermal estimate for 20-25% absorption for 560-700mg of active test.

A 50mg/ml concentration of any transdermal would likely be more efficient. I know PhloJel is supposed to be superior. Keeping the recipe at 50mg/ml ensures that it is.

I try to shower before every application and I get my sweating done before the shower. FWIW.

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03/09/2019 10:07 pm  

my thoughts on this are scattered due to the fact that I have no experience with anything exogenously anabolic, so I'll be adding things here and there because I like the thought that some day I'll have enough balls to try it. Speaking of balls, I'll use that comment as a lame seguey into my next question/concern/thought-

would the clomid be enought protection for my guys? I know Tren (fina, whatever) is pretty strong stuff and if you were gonna be going with a test base as well this would be a beautiful thing, BUT what kind of precautions would be necessary for your boys? I've got a reputation to up hold here fellas.


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03/09/2019 10:25 pm  

hey Jake Im not sure what youre getting at, or why you'd be running such a heavy cycle if you admitedly haveno experience with anabolics. If you want to keep your dubs rollin' strong, use HCG at around 250IU 3X per week I believe. Check dosing though, but I believe lower is better. For PCT I enjoy nolva and a mix of OTC supps.

QUESTION:How does A-dex compare to aromasin for estrogen control mainly relating to water retention while ON? I know SupremeDan is in favor of the later, however it is expensive as hell, and somewhat harder to get for me


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03/09/2019 10:47 pm  
Posted by: @b5150
Test base and bold base transdermal cycles are not uncommon at all. Tren base is rare but I have had better success with that because it was a very fine powder. A little too expensive to waste it in a transdermal but a good way to test your tolerance for tren.

If you're getting powder from where I think you're getting, then it's already very fine powder


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03/09/2019 11:16 pm  
Posted by: @D-termine
hey Jake Im not sure what youre getting at, or why you'd be running such a heavy cycle if you admitedly haveno experience with anabolics. If you want to keep your dubs rollin' strong, use HCG at around 250IU 3X per week I believe. Check dosing though, but I believe lower is better. For PCT I enjoy Nolva and a mix of OTC supps.

QUESTION:How does A-dex compare to Aromasin for estrogen control mainly relating to water retention while ON? I know SupremeDan is in favor of the later, however it is expensive as hell, and somewhat harder to get for me

I guess i didn't realize a test base with fina trans D would be that harsh of a cycle. Maybe I should do some rethinking.


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03/09/2019 11:41 pm  
Posted by: @Jakeshorts
would the clomid be enought protection for my guys? I know Tren (fina, whatever) is pretty strong stuff and if you were gonna be going with a test base as well this would be a beautiful thing, BUT what kind of precautions would be necessary for your boys? I've got a reputation to up hold here fellas.

Clomid isn't going to do bupkiss for your boys while on...nothing will really except, perhaps HCG. After the fact, clomid will help plump things up.

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04/09/2019 12:04 am  
Posted by: @Benson
Clomid isn't going to do bupkiss for your boys while on...nothing will really except, perhaps HCG. After the fact, clomid will help plump things up.

Thank you Sirs. I think I'll probably simplify for a first cycle and just leave it up to the Fina. It's easier to obtain. At least for my ignorant ass. Then there's anti-es to worry about and PCT... HCG seems to be the best, but I was really hoping to not have to get heavy into pinning.... unless I ran some IGF.


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04/09/2019 12:25 am  
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So some quick math would indicate you'd need 48g of Test Base powder for a 120 day cycle, at a 50mg/ml, 4ml 2Xdaily, for 400mg/day? Assuming a 25% absorbtion rate for PhloJel, you'd be getting 700mg/week? Am I getting this right?

Also, how long should this be left on before sweating, rinsing off etc?

700mg of testosterone, which is equivalent to about 1000mg of Test E. You have to take in ester weight for the injectable testosterone. From my experiences, what your attempting to do is way too much. I personally think 50mg/ml applied 2x daily is too much but I tend to get sides' from just about everything I do. I would start with applying 50mg/ml 2x a day and see where that takes you. My favorite application spot after shower is clavical/collarbone area, and I think 25% is low-balling it especially if you scrub the application area, switch sites and rub like hell.


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04/09/2019 12:52 am  
Posted by: @Grassroots082
700mg of testosterone, which is equivalent to about 1000mg of Test E. You have to take in ester weight for the injectable testosterone. From my experiences, what your attempting to do is way too much. I personally think 50mg/ml applied 2x daily is too much but I tend to get sides' from just about everything I do. I would start with applying 50mg/ml 2x a day and see where that takes you. My favorite application spot after shower is clavical/collarbone area, and I think 25% is low-balling it especially if you scrub the application area, switch sites and rub like hell.

This is why I love this board, I totally overlooked the base to enanthate ratios, Im definately the total newb to transdermals. Well at that dose, Ill have a considerable amount to use, certainly enough for two cycles. Excellent


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04/09/2019 1:13 am  

As to the above data, that is true.

1000mg of Test E is equalt to 700mg of test (I mentioned that earlier in my previous post)

Yes, 700mg/w of test (or 1000mg of test E) is not a newbie starting dose. I mentioned that because it was an even multiplier of mg/ml/d and some are not newbies to test.

Until I see data that supports that an alcohol based transdermal is above 25% efficient then I do not assume more that 20-25%.

You would be well suited to go with 50mg/ml at 3ml - 2x/d for 420mg of test base /w.

6ml = 300mg x (.20 - .25) = 60mg/d - 75mg/d = 420mg/w - 525mg/w (or 600mg - 750mg test E)

You are able to use whatever dose you want. Those are just the numbers.

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04/09/2019 1:30 am  

Hey B, you said something about estrogenic sides being reduced in a transdermal cycle, care to expand upon that thought here? Think it is highly relavent to this thread, which is turning out to be golden btw.


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