how much windrol???
How much of BL's windrol should one take to make quality gains and for how long?
That much A50 is over kill if its good. There is no need for that much. You can make good gains from a half of tab of good anadrol.
start with one tab a day. if you have your liver values checked and they're fine, go to two tabs a day. dont stay on them for more than 4 or 5 weeks though. just one a day should be sufficient in conjunction with the rest of your stack (you arent taking just windrol are you? please say no)
remember, two windrol is 80mgs anadrol and 40mgs winny....both of which are harsh on the liver when taken orally.
bumpin TG's advice. i'd do the exact same thing.
I had to jump in on this one. I am an anadrol fan. So I do concurr with TG's advice if this is your first run with drol. It also depends on your size. WHen I get into the guts of a good mass cycle and drol is my oral I will go up to 200mgs of the drol a day. Ya cna't stay there long as the sides are barely tolerable. My liver functions have never gone above normal even when on extreme doses. The sides that I am talking about are the psychological and emotional ones. YOu can get apathetic to evrything but the gym and mood swinges are a daily hurdle. Butr the mass you can put on is tremendous. Anadrol should not be feared but rather exploited for the benefits it possesses. The winny is a 17aa steroid so a bit of caution is a must.
The horror stories most of us hear are just that... stories. You wont die or kill your family or have liver failure(unless you have a pre-existing condition or are the rare individual that just doesn't tolerate the drol) You insides will not melt and you DO NOT loose all the gains you made. You will loose at least 20-40% of gains made on drol if they are not solidified after the drols use.
If ya use the windrol for 4-6 weeks I would continue for another 4 weeks with just winstol as the oral in the cycle. You would be smart to add Equipoise to the cycyle at 400mgs a week for the entire cycle. You could use test(and I would) but as this is yor first time with the drol(I assume) I would keep additional androgens to a minimum. This is where the bad physical sides come from. Stacking the drol with other highly androgenic steroids like test and Halotestin. I speak from many cycles with the drol not from hearsay or conjuecture.
Change, you da man! He's right, abombs can be very handy when it comes to bulk cycles. The put on mass fast but they also give sides just as fast, so just be careful and you too can enjoy the great beafits that they can give!
originally posted by CHANGELING
You will loose at least 20-40% of gains made on drol if they are not solidified after the drols use.
Please explain this. How would one go about 'solidifying' a gain? Do you mean that its water, or what?
by using proper post cycle therapy along with maintaining your diet and training regime, rather than simply dropping everything as soon as your cycle ends.
in my situation, i actually use clomid for 5 weeks after the cycle has ended at 50-100mg/day just to try eliminate a lot of water loss.
i also pick up on cell-tech around week 12 of a 10 week cycle to minimize water loss. i am also an advocate of taking shorter acting compounds like Dbol or prop at the end of my cycles.
another way "solidifying a gain" is often meant/done is by continuing the use of more "quality mass" gaining gear ie slower gains, like the EQ change mentioned, deca, things of that nature.
good info CHANGELING:)
I would take 1 tab twice ed.
So is this to say that you cant keep a gain unless you keep on using AS? Then you mention water loss again..which really isnt muscle. What is it, guys?
I did get the answer of keeping your training and diet on track instead of taking some sort of break after a cycle, which is very true, even for non-AS assisted cycles, but the water thing still gets me. I'm concerned with actual muscle, not water. Water stores change from day to day.
I dont trust this talk of 'phantom muscles' that must be solidified, as if you are just renting them and have to purchase them to keep them. Souns like junk science. No offense to anybody here, btw. Just looking for answers.
your muscles are primarily water in volume.
i'm not really sure what type answer that you're looking for?
They're primarily water in volume, ok, thats fine. Thats good to know, actually.
So...what exactly is the threshold then? My wits have been kicked to the ground by the fucking cops, insipid AI, and sometimes shoddy driving model in GTA: Vice City that plagues an otherwise near-perfect game (well...minus the obvious commie political messages borne in said game, which are easily avoided), so please bear with me.
So I was mistaken in thinking that muscle was not water, because if muscle is mostly water in volume, then muscle is, in a matter of speaking, water. So still, how would one 'solidify' a gain in muscle water? Or is this largely impossible, I'd like to know how to actually make the muscle tissues grow, and still be big and dry at the same time. Maybe thats the question I should have posed.
inevitably, as time goes on and we discontinue our training and AAS's use, we will ALL lose some muscle. it's pre-determined and written in stone that i'm not going to maintain 240lbs at age 60, so to answer your question, this is no possible way to keep your same amount of muscle for your entire lifespan.
however, until you decide that you no longer care to maintain the amount of muscle that you have, you can take one of the precautionary methods mentioned above in your attempt to keep what you've worked for.