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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21989</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 20:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Myostatin will continue to be up as long as you&#039;re getting high amounts of external androgens (and a cruise dose will put you still above your natural level). I personally don&#039;t buy OSLs met...]]></description>
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<p>Why cruise for six weeks? No sides, fast recovery, great gains.</p>
<p>From the OSL post:</p>
<p>Run and Gun means you blast with short esters for no longer than 5-6 weeks, cruise for the same exact time you blasted for, and repeat! This keeps myostatin at a low as well as cortisol, and never gives it a chance to rise, leaving you able to gain quick gains in 5-6 weeks, then hold them while you cruise only to gain more on the next run and gun.</p>
<p>In some recent questions to some of the most seasoned vets I know, I asked each of them the same questions, Keep in mind all have used long cycles with long breaks, and used run and gun type methods. The result was that more users reported more quality gains, less sides, and more manageable and keepable gains while doing short blasts and cruises, compared to long drawn out cycles and recovery times.</p>
<p>Pound for Pound, they gained more with the run and Gun, than with longer cycles, in a standard winter bulk of say 15-20 weeks body builders will gain 15-20lbs or more depending on where they are in their body building careers. But if you break the 20 weeks into 2 Blast cycles followed by a cruise and repeat, gains will never stall like at week 10, and you should gain more weight with the 2 blasts compared to the one long run.</p>
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<p>Myostatin will continue to be up as long as you're getting high amounts of external androgens (and a cruise dose will put you still above your natural level). I personally don't buy OSLs method, but I'm sure some people do.</p>
<p>Also, I'm with heavy here. 6 weeks is too short for a blast.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21988</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 20:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thats how I imagine him]]></description>
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<p>6 week blasts are too short. 8 weeks minimum.</p>
<p>There is a reason OSL never posted pics of himself....</p>
<p>Just sayin....</p>

<p>Thats how I imagine him</p>
<p><img src="https://www.legendarystrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/valentin-dikul.jpg" /></p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21987</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 19:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[6 week blasts are too short. 8 weeks minimum.There is a reason OSL never posted pics of himself....Just sayin....]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[6 week blasts are too short. 8 weeks minimum.<br /><br />There is a reason OSL never posted pics of himself....<br /><br />Just sayin....]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics">Anabolic Steroids &amp; Prohormones</category>                        <dc:creator>heavyiron</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21986</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 19:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You are welcome.
Keep in mind that I don&#039;t think the cycle you laid out will be effective - what you have laid out is really a short moderate dose test cycle with a dbol kicker.
I do belie...]]></description>
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<p>thanks parish.!!!!</p>

<p>You are welcome.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that I don't think the cycle you laid out will be effective - what you have laid out is really a short moderate dose test cycle with a dbol kicker.</p>
<p>I do believe that for this to work, you need to add another oral and short ester injectable. (not deca)</p>
<p>Test P is fine. Consider NPP, mast P if lean enough or Tren A. Dbol is great - for the other oral, depends on your goals - I was cutting during that cycle.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21985</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Why cruise for six weeks? No sides, fast recovery, great gains.
From the OSL post:
Run and Gun means you blast with short esters for no longer than 5-6 weeks, cruise for the same exact tim...]]></description>
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<p>I just don't see why come off after week 6 ? What is the 6 week break supposed to accomplish ? With most gear the gains really start comming after several weeks depending on what compounds you are running and with this you are stopping just when you are making the best gains. Maybe I just don't understand the reasons but I'm glad it worked for you. As for the OP I think a more basic approach would be far better than this if he decided to move forward.</p>

<p>Why cruise for six weeks? No sides, fast recovery, great gains.</p>
<p>From the OSL post:</p>
<p>Run and Gun means you blast with short esters for no longer than 5-6 weeks, cruise for the same exact time you blasted for, and repeat! This keeps myostatin at a low as well as cortisol, and never gives it a chance to rise, leaving you able to gain quick gains in 5-6 weeks, then hold them while you cruise only to gain more on the next run and gun.</p>
<p>In some recent questions to some of the most seasoned vets I know, I asked each of them the same questions, Keep in mind all have used long cycles with long breaks, and used run and gun type methods. The result was that more users reported more quality gains, less sides, and more manageable and keepable gains while doing short blasts and cruises, compared to long drawn out cycles and recovery times.</p>
<p>Pound for Pound, they gained more with the run and Gun, than with longer cycles, in a standard winter bulk of say 15-20 weeks body builders will gain 15-20lbs or more depending on where they are in their body building careers. But if you break the 20 weeks into 2 Blast cycles followed by a cruise and repeat, gains will never stall like at week 10, and you should gain more weight with the 2 blasts compared to the one long run.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21984</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[thanks parish.!!!!]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[thanks parish.!!!!]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21983</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I just don&#039;t see why come off after week 6 ? What is the 6 week break supposed to accomplish ? With most gear the gains really start comming after several weeks depending on what compounds y...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I just don't see why come off after week 6 ? What is the 6 week break supposed to accomplish ? With most gear the gains really start comming after several weeks depending on what compounds you are running and with this you are stopping just when you are making the best gains. Maybe I just don't understand the reasons but I'm glad it worked for you. As for the OP I think a more basic approach would be far better than this if he decided to move forward.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21982</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 17:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll throw in my two cents here - The OSL protocol was designed for TRT guys (like me) who are running low dose test year around, hence the 200mg/wk cruise (and no PCT). A big difference bet...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'll throw in my two cents here - The OSL protocol was designed for TRT guys (like me) who are running low dose test year around, hence the 200mg/wk cruise (and no PCT). A big difference between what OSL laid out and what Crazy wants to run is that OSL recommends two short ester injectables and two orals, not one of each (as well as much larger doses). As laid out by the OP, I'm with you guys, he would be better off running a longer cycle - but, in larger doses with more compounds, this method does work.<br /><br />I recently ran the OSL protocol as follows:<br /><br />1-6 Test C 125mg 2x/wk<br />1-6 Test P 100mg eod+ (actually, Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun for 4x/wk on Test P and NPP)<br />1-5 NPP 75mg eod+<br />1-6 Dbol 40mg/day<br />1-6 Win 100mg/day<br /><br />7-12 Test C 125mg 2x/wk<br /><br />13-18 Test C 125mg 2x/wk<br />13-18 Test P 100mg eod+<br />13-17 NPP 75mg eod+<br />13-18 Tbol 40mg/day<br />13-18 Var 100mg/day<br /><br />Very happy with the results. If I were to change anything, it would be to ramp up the injectables to ED, leaving the orals as is. <br /><br />Last thing I can say is that unless you are 110% dedicated to diet and training while doing this, you would be way better off on a longer protocol where you have a little more leeway.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21981</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[thanks for all the input guys. I&#039;ll definitely put your opinions to good use]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[thanks for all the input guys. I'll definitely put your opinions to good use]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Run &amp; Gun first attempt. CRITIQUE</title>
                        <link>https://www.azsteroids.net/anabolics/run-gun-first-attempt-critique#post-21980</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 17:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I would have to agree with the rest of the guys. With AAS in my experience a/ you have to take enough and b/ you have to be on long enough to make gains. Simple stuff but it&#039;s the simple thi...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I would have to agree with the rest of the guys. With AAS in my experience a/ you have to take enough and b/ you have to be on long enough to make gains. Simple stuff but it's the simple things that work best. Mass= test,deca and dbol. Or just test and tren. There are other issues I would bring up that you probably don't want to hear. Like 22yrs old being pretty young to start messing with your hormones. You certainly have plenty of test at that age. Also and please don't take this wrong but this would be your 4th cycle and you are only 160lbs?<br />This may point to other issues like not having a firm grasp of training and diet. How long have you been bbing ? In other words if a person doesn't have the proper foundation of proper training and diet you can't add AAS to the mix and expect magic. MANY guys do . Why not with this new motivation and knowlege train and eat right for a couple years and get close to your genetic potential before going down this road. It is by far a better way and will give you the best gains. Good luck my friend.]]></content:encoded>
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