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Have any of you ever tanken DUROMINE to get lean? My girl is thinking of trying it.. 😉


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why would she want to???????

Duromine (discontinued in the UK)

Main Use Active Ingredient Manufacturer
Appetite suppressant Phentermine. 3M

How does it work?

Phentermine is a weak sympathomimetic medicine which has a marked appetite-suppressant effect. It is believed that this effect is exerted through a part of the brain called the hypothalamus. It may also act by increasing glucose uptake into muscle. In addition to appetite suppressing effects in the brain, phentermine may also have peripheral metabolic effects which can help weight loss, although the exact mechanism for this effect is unclear.

It is used as an adjunct to diet in patients who have not responded to an appropriate weight-redcung regimen alone.

What is it used for?

Obesity

Warning!

This medicine is not to be used for long periods of time, as it may cause more adverse effects.

This medicine may reduce your ability to drive or operate machinery safely. Do not drive or operate machinery until you know how this medicine affects you and you are sure it won't affect your performance.

The effectiveness of this medicine may decrease if used for long periods of time (tolerance).

Use with caution in

Depression

Epilepsy

Mildly raised blood pressure

Past history of anxiety

Not to be used in

A personality disorder that comes and goes over time, eg mania or schizophrenia

Breastfeeding

Children under 12 years of age

Disease involving the heart and blood vessels (cardiovascular disease)

Disease of the blood vessels in and around the brain (cerebrovascular disease)

High blood pressure (hypertension)

High blood pressure in the vessels between the heart and lungs (pulmonary hypertension)

History of alcoholism or drug abuse

Known sensitivity or allergy to any ingredient

People over the age of 75 years

Psychiatric disorders

Thyrotoxicosis

This medicine should not be used if you are allergic to one or any of its ingredients. Please inform your doctor or pharmacist if you have previously experienced such an allergy.

If you feel you have experienced an allergic reaction, stop using this medicine and inform your doctor or pharmacist immediately.

Pregnancy and Breastfeeding

Certain medicines should not be used during pregnancy or breastfeeding. However, other medicines may be safely used in pregnancy or breastfeeding providing the benefits to the mother outweigh the risks to the unborn baby. Always inform your doctor if you are pregnant or planning a pregnancy, before using any medicine.

The safety of this medicine during pregnancy has not been established. The manufacturer therefore advises that it should be avoided during pregnancy. Seek medical advice from your doctor.

This medicine should not be used by breastfeeding mothers. Discuss this with your doctor.

Label warnings

This medication is to be swallowed whole, not chewed.

Side effects

Medicines and their possible side effects can affect individual people in different ways. The following are some of the side effects that are known to be associated with this medicine. Because a side effect is stated here, it does not mean that all people using this medicine will experience that or any side effect.

Headache

Rash

Dizziness or loss of balance

Constipation

Faster than normal heart beat (tachycardia)

Dry mouth

Difficulty in sleeping (insomnia)

High blood pressure (hypertension)

Depression

Vomiting

Nausea

Addiction to the medicine (dependence)

Agitation

Restlessness

Awareness of your heart beat (heart palpitations)

Seizures (convulsions)

Loss of contact with reality (psychosis)

Balance problems involving the inner ear (vertigo)

Difficulty performing voluntary movements, resulting in jerky or involuntary movements or muscle twitches (dyskinesia)

False perceptions of things that are not really there (hallucinations)

A state of well-being, optimism and cheerfulness (euphoria)

Increased need to pass urine

Swelling of the face due to excessive retention of fluid (oedema)

Chest pain

Raised blood pressure in the blood vessels supplying the lungs (pulmonary hypertension)

The side effects listed above may not include all of the side effects reported by the drug's manufacturer.

For more information about any other possible risks associated with this medicine, please read the information provided with the medicine or consult your doctor or pharmacist.

How can this medicine affect other medicines?

When taken together with mono-amine oxidase inhibitor antidepressants (or within two weeks of stopping treatment), there may be a large increase in blood pressure.

This medicine should not be taken with other appetite suppressants e.g. fenfluramine, dexfenfluramine as dangerous increases in blood pressure may result.

There may be an interaction between phentermine and alcohol.

Other medicines containing the same active ingredients

Ionamin (discontinued in the UK - May 2001) Phentermine (discontinued in the UK - May 2001)


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!!It may also act by increasing glucose uptake into muscle. In addition to appetite suppressing effects in the brain, phentermine may also have peripheral metabolic effects which can help weight loss,!!

She needs to lose a quick 5kg's,
She is 5'3 figure comp. in the off ses, she is natural and can d-press 25kg on any norm day but needs a little more lean size.. in the upper half. Legs need leaning as much muscle as bb chicks..

I also have a box of nolva, half a tub of liquid clen, any ideas?


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!!It may also act by increasing glucose uptake into muscle. In addition to appetite suppressing effects in the brain, phentermine may also have peripheral metabolic effects which can help weight loss,!!

She needs to lose a quick 5kg's,
She is 5'3 figure comp. in the off ses, she is natural and can d-press 25kg on any norm day but needs a little more lean size.. in the upper half. Legs need leaning as much muscle as bb chicks..

I also have a box of nolva, half a tub of liquid clen, any ideas?
give her 20mgs a day of nolva, it will knock off excess water weight and get her estrogen levels down without side effects.

lets see her diet, maybe that's the problem.


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OK she started the nolva 2 day, will see how it works.
How long till you see results?
Thanks
R34 king.......


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OK she started the Nolva 2 day, will see how it works.
How long till you see results?
Thanks
R34 king.......

i see results within a day or two, mind you, my estrogen levels are quite high due to the amount of test i run. if she is lean, you will see results soon.


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OK she started the Nolva 2 day, will see how it works.
How long till you see results?
Thanks
R34 king.......
like QOD said, post her diet, if its chocolate and popcorn than i can see why you ignored the question the first time


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Diet is cool typical BB
Meat, Fish, Egg
Veggies
P-Shakes
Rice
NO Bread or gluten
No junk unless its sunday 1 or 2 snacks if were out.

I think her main probs is her estrogen level, needs more test to give the hard look......


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Diet is cool typical BB
Meat, Fish, Egg
Veggies
P-Shakes
Rice
NO Bread or gluten
No junk unless its sunday 1 or 2 snacks if were out.

I think her main probs is her estrogen level, needs more test to give the hard look......

Nolvadex is not test. it is an "anti-estrogen" compound.

how much of each macronutrient is she getting? is she getting enough EFA"s just eating fish?


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Yes I know its a "anti-estrogen" , thus upping her natural test levels ?
EFA's from flax, glutimine, vit C, multi vit, cal tabs + supp's every day.
Thanks for trying to think of other ideas!
Can't get my hands on any Primo, Var or winny tabs
So I can't do much more without any risks ??
Can I??
She did a comp last year (first) but a bit soft, but was still on the pill then, been off that for 10 months now..


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Yes I know its a "anti-estrogen" , thus upping her natural test levels ?
EFA's from flax, glutimine, vit C, multi vit, cal tabs + supp's every day.
Thanks for trying to think of other ideas!
Can't get my hands on any Primo, Var or winny (tabs)
So I can't do much more without any risks ??
Can I??
She did a comp last year (first) but a bit soft, but was still on the pill then, been off that for 10 months now..

okay...sorry about the delayed answer, i have had some personal problems that needed attention.

what i need it her diet, broken down into macronutrients;
how much~
protein
carbs
fats

she gets in one day...

thanx
QOD


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Yes I know its a "anti-estrogen" , thus upping her natural test levels ?
EFA's from flax, glutimine, vit C, multi vit, cal tabs + supp's every day.
Thanks for trying to think of other ideas!
Can't get my hands on any Primo, Var or winny (tabs)
So I can't do much more without any risks ??
Can I??
She did a comp last year (first) but a bit soft, but was still on the pill then, been off that for 10 months now..

anti-estrogen compounds do NOT up Testosterone levels. what nolvadex does is BLOCKS positive estrogen receptor sites, therefore, removing excess estrogen from the body.

it does not completely remove estrogen, nor does it create testosterone.

it binds to the PERS and makes them unable to convert to estrogen.


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Meal 1- rice 1/2 cup + milk (no more eggs since comp.)

Meal 2- shake 30g pro 2g carb

Meal 3-salad + tuna

Meal 4- apple

Meal 5- shake 30g pro 2g carb

Meal 6- meat + veg (steamed)

Meal 7- hand of nuts


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Meal 1- rice 1/2 cup + milk (no more eggs since comp.)

Meal 2- shake 30g pro 2g carb

Meal 3-salad + tuna

Meal 4- apple

Meal 5- shake 30g pro 2g carb

Meal 6- meat + veg (steamed)

Meal 7- hand of nuts

what i asked for was a breakdown of macronutrients (around 3 times i believe) if you have no idea of how many calories she is getting a day, then i wouldn't be so quick to jump on "drugs" to assist her in losing weight/suppressing appetite.

i can look over this list without knowing her height/weight/age and know she isn't getting enough protein. there is no EFA's being consumed in her diet, which is also a no-no.

you need to be more aware of her actual macronutrient intake, not just "what" she is eating (which is not enough)

give me her age, weight and height, i will tell you how many calories of each macronutrient she should be getting in order to lose weight and tighten up.


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Age 25
Hight 5'3
Weight 58-60kg


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