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butterfly
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Are there any negative side-effects for women taking Anti-Estrogenics?

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Viator
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The side effects are the same for everyone... bone loss, cardiovascular trouble, etc. you can look on rxlist.com for more info. all the listed side effects are listed for women and men, as the only ones who take them for medical reasons are breast cancer patients.


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The side effects are the same for everyone... bone loss, cardiovascular trouble, etc.  you can look on rxlist.com for more info.  all the listed side effects are listed for women and men, as the only ones who take them for medical reasons are breast cancer patients.

Are you saying these are side-effects of taking Clenbutrx? or an Anti-Estrogenic?

I'm well aware of effects from an E/C/A stack , I was more concerned with the Anti-Estrogenic effects.

That is a cool website, too bad it only has perscription drugs...


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you know what, I got a little confused. the topic said clenbutrx, which I thought was just a E/C type fat burner and I clicked on this to get some info on this product.

then you asked about anti-E's in the post and I thought you were referring to prescription drugs like clomid, Nolvadex, Arimidex, Formetasane, etc... that's why I posted that link.

the effects I was talking about are for those drugs.


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Posted by: @ReDiJeCt
you know what, I got a little confused.  the topic said clenbutrx, which I thought was just a E/C type fat burner and I clicked on this to get some info on this product.

then you asked about anti-E's in the post and I thought you were referring to prescription drugs like Clomid, Nolvadex, Arimidex, Formetasane, etc... that's why I posted that link. 

the effects I was talking about are for those drugs.

Regarless, the effects you listed are associated with anti-estrogenics. Herbal or otherwise.

Perhaps the original question is not clear.


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you know what, I got a little confused.  the topic said clenbutrx, which I thought was just a E/C type fat burner and I clicked on this to get some info on this product.

then you asked about anti-E's in the post and I thought you were referring to prescription drugs like Clomid, Nolvadex, Arimidex, Formetasane, etc... that's why I posted that link. 

the effects I was talking about are for those drugs.

Regarless, the effects you listed are associated with anti-estrogenics. Herbal or otherwise.

Perhaps the original question is not clear.

Thanks for responding, Labrat!!!

I was interested in negative side-effects for women taking Anti-Estrogenics.

I've heard that the Clenbutrx isn't a true Anti-Estrogenics, as well. Any thoughts?


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Posted by: @butterfly
Regarless, the effects you listed are associated with anti-estrogenics. Herbal or otherwise.

Perhaps the original question is not clear.

Thanks for responding, Labrat!!!

I was interested in negative side-effects for women taking Anti-Estrogenics.

I've heard that the Clenbutrx isn't a true Anti-Estrogenics, as well. Any thoughts?

I know what clenbuterol is, but I am unfamiliar with 'Clenbutrx.' The name implies that the supplement was/is designed to mimic the effects of clenbuterol. However, considering supplement name games these days, I could be wrong. Clenbuterol is a highly regulated pharmaceutical beta2-agonist sometimes used by bodybuilders to reduce that last bit of bodyfat during pre-contest prep. It also has transient anabolic properties in that it preserves muscle protein in an otherwise catabolic environment. However, the cardiac and vascular side effects can be intolerable for many, and its efficacy subsides within ~2 weeks.

As you can see clenbuterol is not considered an anti-estrogen. In fact, chronic beta-adrenoceptor stimulation by beta-agonists can upregulate some types of estrogen and progesterone receptors in specific tissues (not all tissues respond similarly). This is the opposite of 'anti-estrogenic' effects. Nevertheless, since I am not familiar with the supplement you speak of, and it is certainly NOT clenbuterol (or the FDA would jump on it), I do not know if the same attributes apply here.

As for anti-estrogens, it depends on the type of activity. If the active substance acts upon the receptor, it typically blocks the receptor so that estrogen cannot bind to it; or inhibits/reduces synthesis of estrogen (such as anti-aromatases, which block activity of the enzyme that converts androgens to estrogens). Both approaches have varying rates of efficacy.

Estrogen has gotten a bad rap in the bodybuilding industry and culture. Estrogens are responsible for many activities that confer cardioprotection, maintenance of bone mineral density, opposing some of the undesirable effects of androgens (virilization such as hair loss, voice changes, etc), smooth and soft skin, etc. It even has antioxidant properties. Estrogen isn't 'evil' like many portray it to be.

What is important is the estrogen:Testosterone ratio. Dan Duchaine and I were the only ones to really advocate this viewpoint: look at the estrogen:testosterone ratio (relative levels) rather than absolute levels. Complete inhibition of estrogen synthesis and activity is not good, even for men. Unless there are medical issues, such as breast cancer, anti-estrogenics are ill-advised.

Does that answer part of your question?


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Clenbutrx is a VPX supplement, and as expected makes radical claims that it doesn't come close to fulfilling. Some good fat burning ingredients. Ipriflavone is the ingredient they claim to be an anti-estrogen, when the reverse is closer to the truth.

-David Tolson


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Isnt clenbutrx just another attempt by VPX to mimic a steroid name, and thus glean the profit pastures?

Im glad you havent heard of this Labrat, because it is B.S. stay away from everything VPX, it is a bad, bad company

from the makers of creatine serum comes.... CLENBUTRX


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Thanks Labrat!

I really appreciate you taking the time to post such a detailed reply


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Posted by: @SummusMentis
Isnt clenbutrx just another attempt by VPX to mimic a steroid name, and thus glean the profit pastures?

Im glad you havent heard of this Labrat, because it is B.S. stay away from everything VPX, it is a bad, bad company

from the makers of creatine serum comes.... CLENBUTRX

I am laughing my ass off at this. Neither because I agree or disagree, just because of how different a similar thread played out on another board.


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Posted by: @Twin Peak
I am laughing my ass off at this.  Neither because I agree or disagree, just because of how different a similar thread played out on another board.

What I find pretty humorus is that three "men" and five posts tried to help out with a vague question from a "female". One "female" pointed out how vague the question was, and then credited the one "man" for his accurate reply to the "female's" vague question. The only one that got a thank you in this whole thread was "female".

Don't get me wrong, I love females. My grandmas, mom, wife and daughter's are all females.

If they choose not to accept me they can go to hell. ~JC


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Posted by: @b5150
What I find pretty humorus is that three "men" and five posts tried to help out with a vague question from a "female". One "female" pointed out how vague the question was, and then credited the one "man" for his accurate reply to the "female's" vague question.

It doesn't strike me as any different from the other circular and tangential posts in threads elsewhere in this forum. And nearly all of the particpants are men


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Posted by: @b5150
What I find pretty humorus is that three "men" and five posts tried to help out with a vague question from a "female". One "female" pointed out how vague the question was, and then credited the one "man" for his accurate reply to the "female's" vague question.

It doesn't strike me as any different from the other circular and tangential posts in threads elsewhere in this forum. And nearly all of the particpants are men 🙂


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It doesn't strike me as any different from the other circular and tangential posts in threads elsewhere in this forum. And nearly all of the particpants are men

I'm too dumb tell if that was an intellectual zing or not...
No ill will intended...I may have just had my gender blinders on and demonstrated some ignorance...what are the chances of that (2to1)

Pardon me if you will while I take my foot out of mouth...

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