TRT issues....!

Posted by: @oldguns

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Thanks I will add that to my plans...checking out all bases, so to speak. Taking a little time to view all options...!

That is a smart way to approach it. This is your long term health, treat each like and interview. If one seems like he/she doesn't give a shit, move on. Life is too short for idiot doctors.

Posted by: @oldguns

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Changed doctor 3 months ago, 1st one had me at 218 ng/dl while on test e...long story...basic bs. The new one set dose at 1 cc per week and 2.5 months into it, I had sides. Day before injection...test levels 791 ng/dl and that was 2 weeks into this dose. 2 months into this dose, 0 libido, near 0 appetite, bloating, swelling in my calves, belly fat and slow increasing joint pain all over. Doctor tested the following, platelets, na, k, ci, and co2 and total testosterone. I get a phone call from his nurse stating that my blood count was two high and not to inject for a month and then retest the script is in the mail to me. Lets see, total time off will be about 6-7 weeks nothing like feeling like hell as my t-level crashes...I will be in the mid to upper 100's. I can only guess where my estrogen level is as this happens. At 791 ng/dl day before injection, I wonder how high it went when I injected another 200mg.

What ever happened to the old sport medicine doctors, in the past I had one who ran the bloodwork, set up the cycle and pct, even did the supplement list. Those were the good old days.!

"Cycles and PCT" isn't a medical practice. IT is what BBers do to come on and off steroids.

My old doctor set up my cycles, thru pct. Never had an issue, years later simple TRT and now issues. Ten more days till bloodwork, then after the restart I'm simply going to cycle again. Back to the old school ways, excellient results no sides. I will go back to the good old days, except I will be ordering my own bloodwork to stay on top of things. Except now it will be blast and cruise.

I wanted to piggyback off this thread:

I have been on TRT for about 6 months due to my T being 1.5 @ it's lowest levels. Typical symptoms confusion, tired constantly, achey. I like to compare it to having the flu on a regular basis with periods where ya feel slightly better.

Anyways, my Dr. had no interest in E2 levels. So, my T doses were adjusted up to 250mg/week & my e2 went into the 80's.

I adjusted my dose down to 100mg/week & my last 3E2 levels were 52, 54 & then back up to the 80's. With my T staying in the 600's. I'm not understanding why my E2 fluctuates by that much?

So, I visited one of the forum sponsors to begin some research & came upon liquidex. I'm assuming from my research E2 should land in the 30 range & liquidex should actually lower the E2 number while raising T correct?

Any need for LiquiNolva or should Liquidex be all that is needed to fight off the E2 #? Is 82 for E2 extremely high?

My last post didn't pop up but I want to piggy off this thread:

My Dr. prescribed TRT due to my T being 1.60.
My T doses have been adjusted from 50 e/2 weeks, 100 e/2, 150 e/week & 200/week. My T levels were at 1100 on 200/week & my E2 level was in the 80's.

I ?'d the Dr and he wanted to push my T dosages up to 250/week. This made no sense to me considering my E2 levels & T being on the high end of normal.

So, I started lowering my T dosages & I have bern on 100/week for the past few months & my total T was in the mid 650's each time but my E2 has varied from 50's to 80's. I don't understand the fluctuations......

My DR. isn't interested in treating the E2 levels just the T levels. So, i started researching options on my own. I tried DIM but my E2 numbers didn't drop below 52 & on the last test was back up to 82.

So, I was looking at studies indicating tx's for high E2. I looked at the generic form of Arimidex & Nolvadex.

My ?'s are:

How high is 82 for E2?
Tx by both Arimidex & Nolvadex or just Arimidex?

I am able to test often so no issues there. I also have the start/dosing methods down for each option.

Getting everything worked out with this new doctor, basic this is how it is ! kind of guy. He won't test for E2 until he has everything where he wants it. So it will be in October's bloodwork, just the way he handles things. I am totally impressed with his end of visit, sit down and answer all your questions. I had to change my pharmacy, it took them 3 weeks to fill my last months script. As soon as I notified his office of the issue, he sent me a new script and I had it in the mail in 3 days. The new location I picked will have a text message sent when it's ready each month...at least something is coming together. It is a never ending battle when your dealing with TRT.

Doseage is to remain at 100mg per week until November, then he will set the new doseage. I do have arimidex/nolvedex on hand...but I am going to hold out until after this next visit. Don't give up just keep pushing forward !

The doctors office got it right after a little push. The new pharmacy had my script ready within 2 hours after I called. Infact, they gave me a 90 day supply of those 1 ml vials. I have to wait till next office visit to get my dose back to 200 mg per week...until then I am good to go ! Just one step at a time...will deal with the E2 issue until my next visit.

Posted by: @oufinny

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Your doctor is an idiot. If your BF% is high or higher than say 15%, your chances of E2 sides are that much higher. An AI probably would have helped salvage things and your sides would have gone down significantly.

You are dead on with your comments. Andy Doc that does not also seriously consider an AI or at least run labs a few weeks (3-4) after starting TRT needs to be educated or stop providing TRT guidance.