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m R g S r
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So I just picked up some GNC L Arginine 500 and some MRI CE2...
Just a question or two...

Can I take the two together? When should I take each? How much of each....
I'm male 214lbs I train 5 days a week almost every week.....Just wanted some advice form you guys before just going by what the package says (I know sometimes what they reccommend isn't enough/ or is too much (like loading)).

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Taking arginine with creatine is fine. Arginine will turn into nitric oxide, and then it will go into creatine synthase. The whole point for loading is to get to creatine saturation. Once the person is saturated, the average person uses about 3 grams per day on top of normal food intake. After you have reached saturation, all you need to take is 3 grams per day. There is no harm in taking 5-10 grams of creatine to be sure that you stay saturated. The excess will be stored in muscles, used for energy, or excreted. Even if a person was to not do a loading phase, they would eventually get to saturation if they just took 5 grams everyday. It would take longer, but they would get there. If you decide to increase the dosage of creatine, be sure to drink more water. It will be needed.


   
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m R g S r
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gotchya...thanks!!


   
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its creatine time huh guy....nice nice. hope it works out well for ya!


   
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I like to take it about half an hour before a workout. I don't think it makes a big difference for the creatine but I do notice better pumps when I time the Arginine like this. In the future you can save yourself a HUGE amount of money by buying AAKG and CEE in bulk in a non-branded package. I can get a Kg of the stuff for the same price as a tiny tub of either AAKG or CEE from a store. PS CEE tastes like shit so I cap it.


   
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its creatine time huh guy....nice nice. hope it works out well for ya!

I am curious to what you fully read. Perhaps I am taking it completely the wrong way. Are you against creatine supplementation? Are you really saying that you hope using these new supps will work? Again...I am not understanding what you really mean, and I am kind of curious.


   
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m R g S r
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lol he is my friend...i think he is just wishing best of luck because i am against using gear at such a young age...(im 20)


   
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I like to take it about half an hour before a workout. I don't think it makes a big difference for the creatine but I do notice better pumps when I time the Arginine like this. In the future you can save yourself a HUGE amount of money by buying AAKG and CEE in bulk in a non-branded package. I can get a Kg of the stuff for the same price as a tiny tub of either AAKG or CEE from a store. PS CEE tastes like shit so I cap it.

ohh well i didn't terribly over pay...i got both for $42 after tax....my sister works at gnc 🙂


   
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lol he is my friend...i think he is just wishing best of luck because i am against using gear at such a young age...(im 20)

Okay...I got it now. By the way...you are making a good decision for waiting. Your natural test levels will suffice until you learn the fundamentals of lifting, nutrition, etc. Be sure to get at least 4 or 5 years of solid experience before you even think about taking the plunge.


   
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Bio / Others -

I am looking for a Creatine Ethyl Ester product and have come across the following two. What are your thoughts on each? Do they do the same thing? I ask b/c the first one listed is being offered at a "buy one, get one free". This always raises the red flag for me.

1. Xyience NOX-CG3
2. BSN CellMass

Thanks,

Evil Genius


   
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BioHazard03
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Bio / Others -

I am looking for a Creatine Ethyl Ester product and have come across the following two. What are your thoughts on each? Do they do the same thing? I ask b/c the first one listed is being offered at a "buy one, get one free". This always raises the red flag for me.

1. Xyience NOX-CG3
2. BSN CellMass

Thanks,

Evil Genius

Nice hijack of a thread!! LMAO!!! I'm just kidding dude. Okay...about six months ago, my answer would have been different. Creatine ethyl esters are effective, but there is more hype carried with it. I have used them in the past, and I thought they were great. It could have been the simple fact that I was fully saturated. In theory, the creatine ethyl ester should be way more effective. Now...in reality...it seems to be very different. I have a good friend going to Baylor, and he is currently doing a creatine ethyl ester vs creatine monohydrate research study. It should be finished very soon. I will post everything I can. The creatine ethyl ester is not looking good in the study though. To simply answer your question, creatine is creatine. As long as you are getting 5 grams per day, you should be fine.

Check out this thread: http://www.freakzonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92228


   
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My bad Bio on the hijack. As you can see, I am new here. I will know from now on.

What I can take from your post is that Creatine is Creatine. However, since the Ester doesn't cause the individual to retain so much water, wouldn't this be better for a cut look (given a good diet, regimen, etc)?

EG


   
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Hi there. Yep Creatine is creatine, AAKG is AAKG. However, I hve a friend who used to work for a nutrition company a while ago and sh said that their creatin was crap (lots of creatinine). ON this basis I guess some companies products will be more effective than others. I just bulk buy powder, its a lot cheaper and the product is generally pretty good quality. AAKG easily mixes in any drink and is pretty much tasteless.

I personally have not noticed any difference between creatin monohydrate and CEE as far as water retention. Its worth noting that creatine monohydrate will actually reduce the amount of water your body can absorb from your gut so you'll need to drink more water with it.


   
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