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sicily1962
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I've been doing 5mg of winny for 16days now.
This is my first time using and i began for the purpose of dropping bodyfat after much discussion and exhausting efforts in nutrition and sufficient cardio.

What i've noticed in this time is a definate hardness but no noticeable drops of any kind or any side effects at all.
No changes in body composition or on the scale.
My nutrition continues to be very clean and workouts consistent.
It was suggested to me to also try 19-Norandrostenedione in addition to aid in fat loss at only 100mg a day. No more.
It is my understanding from all that i've read that this product has little if any androgenic side effects

Before investing i was hoping to get the board's opinion as i've read that this.


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winny and nandrolone, or in this case norandro, is a good stack, depending on bodyweight, I would go up to 10mg of winny, but no more. The norandro may cause a bit of water retention, but its highly individual, and can be controlled through diet.


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Posted by: @prolangtum
winny and nandrolone, or in this case norandro, is a good stack, depending on bodyweight, I would go up to 10mg of winny, but no more.  The norandro may cause a bit of water retention, but its highly individual, and can be controlled through diet.

Thanks for your reply.
I did consider upping the dose of winny, but was unsure just based on all of the horror stories i've read.
If i can ask, why do you think that might do the trick in conjunction with the 19-Nor?


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The small bit of water retention should help ease the pain winny can cause in joints. Plus, I just like nandrolone overall for strength and muscle gains.


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Why only 100 mg of 19-nor? What delivery method?

-David Tolson


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Why only 100 mg of 19-nor? What delivery method?

The dose of 19-Nor is oral.
Why 100mg?
After reading as much as i could find on it, it seems that was the recommended dose for a woman.

I actually thought about splitting the dose since it's active for only about 6hrs but it's really difficult to find dosing information pertaining to females on just about everything.
I've read every conceivable post on this board from all the females so there i've posted here to get more help.

The more assistance i can get on this, the better.
My goal is to drop 10-15lbs in the next 6wks and at least 7% bf in that time as well.

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Hmm, it just seems to me that 100 mg wouldn't do anything, for anyone. I am unsure about first pass elimination, though. I know very little of steroids and PHs - especially in women, but IMO, you should keep winstrol at 5 mg/day and perhaps take a higher dose of 19nor. Concerning half-life, transdermal would be the ideal route of administration if you are willing to put up with it, as that will keep levels up for 12 hours, also you don't have to worry about first pass elimination. If I remember right NorADerm has 12 g per bottle, so 1 squirt 2x daily would be about 66 mg, but that would still probably be stronger than 100 mg orally. But what I don't know is if you will see any noticable effects at that dosage. If leaning out is your goal, 1,4 andro may be something you want to look into also/instead.

Also, have you looked into clen, cytomel, DNP etc, as far as illicits go? t3 may really help you out, DNP may cause reproductive damage in women, if that is something you are concerned with.

Hopefully, Elzi will chime in.

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I just noticed - are you inquiring about nordiol, or nordione?

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I just noticed - are you inquiring about nordiol, or nordione?

19-Norandrostenedione

I have not given much thought about increasing my dose of winny over 5mg/day. I'm not brave enough for that.

I had taken clen for a short while, but have had a problem getting my hands on some lately so i've switched to a thermo w/ ephedrine...
definately not the same effect and i find that i've had to up the dose just to feel as though it's working.

Since this is my first experience using anything at all, i was hoping to get the results i'm looking for without over doing it.

i definately have all the muscle i need right now and i'm hoping to lean out now.


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why dione? Opt for a nordiol.


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It's been a while since i've posted, but i wanted to write about what's been going on since i began this back in late august.

I was already seeing some muscle hardness from the winny and had been reading alot and also gotten some good advice and information here about different PH's, so i decided to begin taking 19-Norandrostenedione 2wks into my winny cylce.

Ok...about 4wks into the winny @ 5mg/day and two weeks into the 19-Nor @ 200mg/day (100 2x's a day) i experienced a sore throat...i got worried and wrote prolangtum, dante and shpongled for advice...
i of course was worried that i might be having a side effect of the AS and it worried me!!

They advised me to drop everything if the symptoms persisited any longer.

But on the 3rd day, it subsided and perhaps it was just the change in the weather..sinuses or whatever ~ but i've had nothing since and definately no change in my voice. Thank goodness!! lol!

But two weeks into adding the 19-Nor, i suddenly dropped 4% BF and gained 6.2lbs of lean mass! I was so excited!
So now, another week later i'm at a total loss of 5.3%BF and have gained 8.4lbs of mass while my body weight has dropped only 1lb.
I look so different from a month ago! I have only about 9 more days on my AS cycle and i'll be done.

Should i also stop taking the 19-Nor at the same time?
Maybe i can get some feedback on that. ~ "Cycling PH advice."

Would i do it again? perhaps next year, but definately no time soon.
I am really pleased w/ my gains. My strength level has been steady and i've made good gains!!
just squatting two nights ago... i did
15x225 on my 4th set and my last two sets were 30x135...don't know where i pulled those out of ~ but they were awsome!! (i'm referred to as a "squat box" at my gym)
And we're not talking partial reps either!

Ok...i just wanted to share this with you and again thank everyone for the much needed help.
Oh ~ i forgot to mention, i had no physical (outward) side effects either...you know .... everything is in tact!! lol!
Ciao!!


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Glad to help. You can drop them at the same time, nor problem. As for recovery from it, I really I have no idea for women, i'll do some looking around.


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Glad to help.  You can drop them at the same time, nor problem.  As for recovery from it, I really I have no idea for women, i'll do some looking around.

that would be great, thanks!
i'm making sure that i'm taking plenty of antioxidants and also my regular supps like mass aminos and liver tabs w/ each meal....preventative maintenance, you could say.

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of a 1/2 life in either case so things should just dissipate quickly i would think, except for the gains.
I'm pretty sure i'm gonna maintain the majority of those.
Anything you can find out though, would be great.
again big man, thank you.


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also, try checking into superiormuscle.com, where I mod at. The women's anabolic section is ran by a few very intelligent women, who would be of much more help than I could ever be.


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sicily1962
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Posted by: @prolangtum
also, try checking into superiormuscle.com, where I mod at.  The women's anabolic section is ran by a few very intelligent women, who would be of much more help than I could ever be.

thanks! i like what i see over there.
I think i spend too much time at my computer already!! lol!


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