No replys? is this just that dumb of a thread or does no one know?
I'm not sure. I've never heard that statistic that they raise test by 183%...where did you hear that?
Personally I HATE clomid and post it every chance I get. That shit just sucks...unless you like bacne. Nothin wrong with nolva though.
ive never heard of that either....but i did use only NOLVA for pct on my first cycle. havent heard too many good things about clomid.
I'm pretty sure that statistic (183%) you heard from William Llewellyn's article on testosterone production. He's is the author of the books Anabolics 2000 and Anabolics 2002.
However, I think you misread that statistic slightly. Here's a direct quote, "As the study with Nolvadex progresses to 6 weeks, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH was significantly higher than pre-treated or 10-day levels. At this point the same 20mg dosage was also raising testosterone and LH levels to an average of 183% and 172% of base values, respectively, which again is measurably higher than what was noted 10 days into therapy. Within 10 days of treatment Clomid is already exerting an effect that is causing the pituitary to become slightly desensitized to GnRH, while prolonged use of Nolvadex serves only to increase pituitary sensitivity to this hormone. That is not to say Clomid won't increase testosterone if taken for the same 6 week time period. Quite the opposite is true. But we are, however, noticing an advantage in Nolvadex."
So, yes they can be taken alone for short periods of time to aid with training. If it boosts your natural testosterone level, it will help with your training.
With that said, it's an expensive option. There are cheaper supplements available to aid with boosting testosterone for everyday training.
Thanks for the clarification NC!
was that study referring to post cycle therapy use of nolvadex with really low testosterone levels and higher estro levels? i would think too much estrogen suppression, especially when no exogenous testosterone is being administered, would be really bad as a balance is needed for homeostasis.. unless you normally have elevated estrogen levels?? i would think HCG or tmg would be the better choice for a natural bump to elevate the normal "T" levels
NC, thats exactly where I read it, thanks for the clarification bro, thanks for everone elses posts too