I use liv52 while on orals also. Can't tell you from blood work honestly but a lot of people do use it when using orals. I watch my bp and use Hawthor...

Im running their primo now and have to ITS AWESOME ! my diet is pretty tight with a few cheat meals on weekends but im leaning out and getting WAY str...

Looks more than strength for me now. Like a few others I'm getting older and have aches and pains lol. Still like lifting heavy once in a while but co...