Vigor

Posted by: @Jeff

Has anyone tried Vigor yet? Results?

DS reps, need a tester/guinea pig who's not connected to DS in any way?

What results would you expect? Something along the lines of contacting us 30 years from now and saying "Hey Mike, my DNA isn't all fucked up from those reactive oxygen species!"

My only concern in taking this product would be a possible anti-anabolic effect that certain anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories can have. Results, then, could be "I took this and I did not feel that it impaired my muscle building quest, and also helped how I felt during heavy exercise/dieting".

I just got some recently and am going to try it for the next month or so. I'll post results later on. It looks like a great antioxidant formula. Repub how much anti anabolic effects do you think it would have? Personally i'd think it'd be insignificant in the amount of vigor you take daily.

Sword and REpub,

isn't all this concern based on that one weird paper with vit C and NAC taken....perhaps right around workouts? or is there other evidence I've not seen?

Posted by: @ScottL

Sword and REpub,

isn't all this concern based on that one weird paper with vit C and NAC taken....perhaps right around workouts? or is there other evidence I've not seen?

I'm not going to pretend I understand this fully, as it is apparently a subject that phosphate bond and bill llewellyn have spent immense amounts of time researching and are still changing their opinions, but inflammatory prostaglandins like pgfa2 are very important to anabolic signalling. Some anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories block conversion of AA to these prostaglandins (for example, COX inhibitors, high dose fish oil) and have an established anti-anabolic effect. I have no specific information based on the ingredients in Vigor that this would happen, but I am noting potential issues with any drug/product with that purpose.

I think this is only an issue in the pre-workout and immediately post-workout window, or at least mostly so. And, even if this was anti-anabolic in some way, one might still use it llike we do with fish oil.

Thanks.

Posted by: @uhockey

What results would you expect? Something along the lines of contacting us 30 years from now and saying "Hey Mike, my DNA isn't all fucked up from those reactive oxygen species!"

Holy smokes. Good one...

I meant did it have any noticeable effect on anything, considering it's just a cocktail of fruit/veggie extracts, right...?

Don't get all butt hurt because no one said it did anything for them and now you'll lose money on the product. It's not my problem. Good grief.

Jeff, i recall some reports of skin improvements quite quickly.

I am too sporadic in my use of it that i can't attest to this (plus, rebound reloaded is giving me some facial acne).

Thanks, Robboe.

Posted by: @uhockey

What results would you expect? Something along the lines of contacting us 30 years from now and saying "Hey Mike, my DNA isn't all fucked up from those reactive oxygen species!"

This made me laugh my butt off.. good stuff