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Help me design a cycle that'll get me the most bang for my buck. Gain most mass possible. Get shredded.
Stats:
Age: 23
Weight: 199
Height: 6'0
bf%: ~8.9%
Training seriously for 6+ years
AAS History: Sustanon 250 w/ Dbol. Test e w/ Dbol. Test p w/ Dbol. Test e/tren e.
Supplements:
-2g Vitamin C daily
-5000 iu Vitamin D morning
-1g Fish Oil morning
-Multivitamin morning
-Multiple Amino Acid supps
-New Zealand Whey Isolate
-AZS Advanced Cycle Support (1/day been keeping bp perfect)
Possible Goals:
Reach 220 lbs w/ 5-7% bodyfat
As far as on cycle therapy for an AI I'd use Formeron and to combat a progestin I'd use Prolactrone. Maybe HCG
Possible Methodology: (to reach this goal I've been thinking of different approaches to length and cycle style)
14 week cycle. First 8 weeks straight bulking (long esters/Deca/Test/Dbol?) then 6 weeks lean mass/cutting (short esters/Tren/Test/Mast/Winny?)
This seems like an ideal method. But am definitely open to suggestions.
Sample:
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg/Day
Week 1-14 Test E 800mg/Week
Week 1-8 Deca 500mg/Week
Week 9-14 Cut Mix 100/100/100 .5ml/Day
Let's hear your ideas boys. Trying to get huge (may do a contest after)
Test, NPP, Anadrol, GH and Slin. All you need right there to get big.
Your goals are to gain 20lbs of mostly muscle I would presume and then to lose 2-4 % bf in the same cycle ? I think those goals are unrealistic. To get the most from a cycle it is best to concentrate on one thing at a time. To either gain as much mass as possible or to keep muscle and strip off bf and water say in prep for a contest. For mass NBY's cycle is very good although at your age and experience I wouldn't mess with slin or gh yet. For mass you can hardly beat Test, tren and dbol or drol or the tried and proven test , deca and dbol. Of course diet and training dictate the results as you can cut on any AAS or bulk depending on diet. !10 weeks is plenty long enough. To build mass and cut you could do as you were thinking a combo cycle of test ,deca or npp and dbol for 8 weeks and then transition to a test p, tren and masteron run with the correct changes to your diet. This however means a very long and stressful cycle of 16 weeks and again at your age and experience I don't think is wise. You are still very young and maybe to young to do these type of cycles without signifigant health risks. I would encourage you to use caution and resist the temptation to throw caution to the wind as you have many years to pursue this dream. Persue one goal at a time , it is not always practical or best to stay under 10% bf all year. Be smart and you will be amazed at what you accomplish !
I like your theory on the whole cycle he is asking about. I am well passed the 25 age thing and am approaching the 50 mark in a few. I will be hitting a Sust 400, Tren Enth 250 with DBol orals starting in January. What would be the best way to cycle these items for a period of 12 weeks for good mass gains??
I'd make your cycle 16 wks long
Wk 1-16 test
Wk 1-14 deca
Kick of w oral end w oral w that cycle u could easily gain 20lbs and drop bf I'm running a very similar cycle right now
Deca didn't start getting real good for about 6 weeks so I think 8 weeks is cutting it short
It's a long cycle but that oral at the end will blast u through it I'm running a 20 wk cycle right now half way through I hit a wall a added anadrol and this cycle is taking me to another level
Protocol?? Anyone tried this? Results? Worth it with the slin?
Tons of people tried it, not a novice cycle tho.
Protocol is as you wish, like long cycles then make it long. I keep mine short and take a short 4 week bridge to normalize and then another 8 weeks of blasting.
Yes I think as a long cycle goes along you must either raise doses or add compounds to keep making gains but and there always is one the long cycles are very stressful to one's health. That was my concern for the OP at 23 yrs old. Boderline age for even starting down this road. I wish we could just juice away and run forever but there is no free ride. There is a price and gains MUST be balanced with health.
Your goals are to gain 20lbs of mostly muscle I would presume and then to lose 2-4 % bf in the same cycle ? I think those goals are unrealistic. To get the most from a cycle it is best to concentrate on one thing at a time. To either gain as much mass as possible or to keep muscle and strip off bf and water say in prep for a contest. For mass NBY's cycle is very good although at your age and experience I wouldn't mess with slin or gh yet. For mass you can hardly beat Test, tren and dbol or drol or the tried and proven test , deca and dbol. Of course diet and training dictate the results as you can cut on any AAS or bulk depending on diet. !10 weeks is plenty long enough. To build mass and cut you could do as you were thinking a combo cycle of test ,deca or npp and dbol for 8 weeks and then transition to a test p, tren and masteron run with the correct changes to your diet. This however means a very long and stressful cycle of 16 weeks and again at your age and experience I don't think is wise. You are still very young and maybe to young to do these type of cycles without signifigant health risks. I would encourage you to use caution and resist the temptation to throw caution to the wind as you have many years to pursue this dream. Persue one goal at a time , it is not always practical or best to stay under 10% bf all year. Be smart and you will be amazed at what you accomplish !
those goals arent for this one cycle. more longterm. but this cycle is working TOWARDS that goal.
and what makes you say "too young to do these types of cycles without significant health risks"? you mean to the liver or what sort of health risks? I regularly manage my bloodwork and I'm not too worried. May hop on TRT come this summer as well.
Thank you for the honest reply
U can reach those goals with this one cycle 😉
Yes I think as a long cycle goes along you must either raise doses or add compounds to keep making gains but and there always is one the long cycles are very stressful to one's health. That was my concern for the OP at 23 yrs old. Boderline age for even starting down this road. I wish we could just juice away and run forever but there is no free ride. There is a price and gains MUST be balanced with health.
again, i dont see the qualification for "balancing gains with health" or even an explanation of "health" thats very general. if bloodwork is good and everything functions well whats the issue?
not meant to insult just questioning opinion as i feel i should as a younger guy in the game where you seem to have more exp. by the way I'm a biochem and genetics phd student.
Your right bro keep an eye on health there's no issue w a longer cycle other than its harder to recover from
The cycle is most likely looking like npp with test e with an oral kickstart and ending with an oral. 12-14 weeks not sure yet